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	<title>Comments on: Are you hearing me? Who needs a new metric?</title>
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		<title>By: tihopilik</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>tihopilik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 
 
I can't be bothered with anything these days, but shrug. I just don't have anything to say recently. 
 
 
G'night</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be bothered with anything these days, but shrug. I just don&#8217;t have anything to say recently. </p>
<p>G&#8217;night</p>
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		<title>By: The attention economy needs a consistent base at Liako.Biz</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>The attention economy needs a consistent base at Liako.Biz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] key requirements, assumptions, and needs of what this magical metric is - will add value somewhere for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 07:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I think the attention stream standard is a winner.  Whether you can monetise a standard is a different question.  Enterprises embrace standards because we are constantly screwed over by vendors who close their systems out.  Interestingly most vendors are becoming increasingly more open at the moment.

I've taken this up here http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/27/what-start-ups-should-know-about-enterprises/ not really in direct response to this, but to expand my thoughts.  That said, I think the key message is it's all in the business case and benefit.

There is no doubt start-ups need a stronger business case than a Microsoft or IBM, but if that case is there (particularly if it's a unique problem space) then I believe that Enterprises will pay for solutions.  I would anyway :-)  Maybe I'm just a unique Enterprise Architect.

Would like to talk more about developing this attention standard anyway as I think that it's something I could see being adapted, especially if we can build security and usage rights into it somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I think the attention stream standard is a winner.  Whether you can monetise a standard is a different question.  Enterprises embrace standards because we are constantly screwed over by vendors who close their systems out.  Interestingly most vendors are becoming increasingly more open at the moment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken this up here <a href="http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/27/what-start-ups-should-know-about-enterprises/" rel="nofollow">http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/27/what-start-ups-should-know-about-enterprises/</a> not really in direct response to this, but to expand my thoughts.  That said, I think the key message is it&#8217;s all in the business case and benefit.</p>
<p>There is no doubt start-ups need a stronger business case than a Microsoft or IBM, but if that case is there (particularly if it&#8217;s a unique problem space) then I believe that Enterprises will pay for solutions.  I would anyway <img src='http://binaryplex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe I&#8217;m just a unique Enterprise Architect.</p>
<p>Would like to talk more about developing this attention standard anyway as I think that it&#8217;s something I could see being adapted, especially if we can build security and usage rights into it somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: binaryplex.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What start-ups should know about Enterprises&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>binaryplex.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What start-ups should know about Enterprises&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 06:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] why start-ups should want to play with them….  Chris commented on my “Are you hearing me? Who needs a new metric post?” regarding my position that an Attention gathering standard (and more specifically an Attention [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why start-ups should want to play with them….  Chris commented on my “Are you hearing me? Who needs a new metric post?” regarding my position that an Attention gathering standard (and more specifically an Attention [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Saad</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Saad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 01:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Enterprises would greatly benefit from this sort of thing - but the marketplace does not make it friendly for startups to target the enterprise.

Most enterprises are wary of change. Even when they are open to it most require much more features to make the solution work in an enterprise environment. Even if you get past that barrier, however, you have to invest in sales and support teams to generate adoption. After all that, most enterprises don't trust small startups and just wait for the big vendors to come with similar offerings.

All that being said, however, it is clear that consumer technologies are quickly being adopted by enterprises because those technologies are usually more end-user focused. 

There was nothing worse than the old CRM and ERP systems that ended up causing a lot of headaches for end-users because they focused on enterprise objectives rather than making someone's day better.

The attention stream data would be great to make though. I think it could be based on Attention.XML but it would need to encapsulate far more information than clickstreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Enterprises would greatly benefit from this sort of thing - but the marketplace does not make it friendly for startups to target the enterprise.</p>
<p>Most enterprises are wary of change. Even when they are open to it most require much more features to make the solution work in an enterprise environment. Even if you get past that barrier, however, you have to invest in sales and support teams to generate adoption. After all that, most enterprises don&#8217;t trust small startups and just wait for the big vendors to come with similar offerings.</p>
<p>All that being said, however, it is clear that consumer technologies are quickly being adopted by enterprises because those technologies are usually more end-user focused. </p>
<p>There was nothing worse than the old CRM and ERP systems that ended up causing a lot of headaches for end-users because they focused on enterprise objectives rather than making someone&#8217;s day better.</p>
<p>The attention stream data would be great to make though. I think it could be based on Attention.XML but it would need to encapsulate far more information than clickstreams.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure.  This is why I think it needs a standard.  Software is software, wether it's on the net or not.  For something to be universally comparable, and for software to communicate, there needs to be a standard to be based on.

From an Enterprise perspective, web Vs. desktop is actually irrelevant, it's the information you consume.  While we have some of this, it's inherently incomplete (so we might know you read something on a blog, but not via e-mail etc.).

An open standard where applications can publish attention data would fill a real missing hole.  A good attention engine could be an excellent example of a &lt;a href="http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/25/the-rich-poor-vs-the-poor-rich/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Poor - Rich&lt;/a&gt; application, poor in features, but rich in what it does well, which is reporting complex information clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure.  This is why I think it needs a standard.  Software is software, wether it&#8217;s on the net or not.  For something to be universally comparable, and for software to communicate, there needs to be a standard to be based on.</p>
<p>From an Enterprise perspective, web Vs. desktop is actually irrelevant, it&#8217;s the information you consume.  While we have some of this, it&#8217;s inherently incomplete (so we might know you read something on a blog, but not via e-mail etc.).</p>
<p>An open standard where applications can publish attention data would fill a real missing hole.  A good attention engine could be an excellent example of a <a href="http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/25/the-rich-poor-vs-the-poor-rich/" rel="nofollow">Poor - Rich</a> application, poor in features, but rich in what it does well, which is reporting complex information clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias</title>
		<link>http://binaryplex.com/2007/05/26/are-you-hearing-me-who-needs-a-new-metric/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the software and internet industries (information sector is a better term) have expanded our notion of giving attention to something. Web-services, enterprise software, or just plain old "mass media" with an internet backbone - although they are all in need of the same thing (attention metrics), they are all so vastly different.

I think you saying enterprise matters is a good point, but then again the difference between desktop apps and web apps are more and more becoming blurry. The measurement system needs to be simple, and consistent - because then it becomes universally comparable

With a bit more thinking, we might be able to suggest a new solution offering in Project Cathedral  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the software and internet industries (information sector is a better term) have expanded our notion of giving attention to something. Web-services, enterprise software, or just plain old &#8220;mass media&#8221; with an internet backbone - although they are all in need of the same thing (attention metrics), they are all so vastly different.</p>
<p>I think you saying enterprise matters is a good point, but then again the difference between desktop apps and web apps are more and more becoming blurry. The measurement system needs to be simple, and consistent - because then it becomes universally comparable</p>
<p>With a bit more thinking, we might be able to suggest a new solution offering in Project Cathedral  <img src='http://binaryplex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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